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"I wish you were cold or hot, not lukewarm" doesn't mean Jesus prefers you hate him instead of "live on the fence"

6/17/2016

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Mental associations direct the way we interpret what people mean with their words. If the first place your mind goes is to the same meaning someone intends, communication works. But if you associate the words with the wrong meaning, you will misrepresent what someone means to say. That's a big deal when it's the Word of God.

A question that should push us all to study more carefully is: Are we mistaking the echo of our own assumptions for the meaning of God's Word?

If you haven't read it yet, Reenacting the Way (of Jesus) unwraps the commonly misunderstood messages of the Gospels. Jesus' healing miracles, turning water into wine, feeding the 5,000 and calming a storm all lose their meaning when we reduce them to miraculous moments that revealed Jesus' divinity. They had very specific meanings for their original audience not just some generic meaning for everyone.

​The same miscommunication happens when we chase the futuristic relevance of the book of Revelation rather than the reason John recorded it for his ancient audience. We miss Jesus'
personalized message for his first century audience in Asia Minor. Let’s stop doing this. Flattening the Bible's first meaning loosens the anchor that holds it from floating down the river of your imagination.

So let's talk about a specific example: being lukewarm. In the popular passage of Revelation 3:15-16, Jesus says, “I wish you were cold or hot, but because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of my mouth.” Why does Jesus want people made of extreme temperatures, like hot or cold, or else he will discard them?

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Common Interpretation of Jesus' Metaphor

The common sermon created from Revelation 3:15-16 is: Jesus wants you to be for him or against him, but not sitting on the fence. In other words, you need to make a decision about where your loyalties lie. The assumption is made that "hot" and "cold" are metaphors for a passionate commitment to or against Jesus. That makes sense to us. "Hot" and "cold" are often used to represent feelings toward something.

​But is that what people who lived in 1st Century Laodicea thought about "hot" and "cold"?

Life in ancient Laodicea

To understand Revelation 3:15-16, we have to understand John's audience (same is true for understanding the meaning of any Bible passage).
John recorded his visions in the book of Revelation as a message for seven communities in the Roman province of Asia (think present-day Western Turkey). Chapters 2-3 provide specific messages from Jesus in the form of 7 ancient Roman imperial edicts to remind each community to obey Jesus not Rome. The imperial format implies Jesus is Lord not Caesar. The seventh edict in Revelation 2-3 is written to the final city along the route a courier would take to deliver John’s apocalypse: Laodicea.
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The city rests on the hills south of the Lycus River valley opposite the city of Hierapolis on the north side. The Lycus River valley offered fertile soil to support a large agrarian population. The population of Laodicean may have reached over 150,000 people at its height based on the size of the theater ruins. The city had all the trimmings of a boomtown in the Roman period with giant bathhouses, a stadium, and a theater.

Laodicea was wealthy. Multiple industries fueled economic prosperity. The textile industry fueled the economy with significant export revenue coming from black wool products weaved so finely as to be rainproof. The commercial activity had made local banking centers noteworthy since the time of Cicero (~50 BC). A noted medical school at the temple of the Carian god, Men, produced eye ointment from local stone in the region. Doctors would shave off the outer layers of the rocks, grind them into a fine dust, and then submerge them into mineral water rich in calcium carbonate. The resulting eye ointment would then be applied to the outside of the eyes to clear up infection. The textiles, banking and medical ointments made Laodicea an independent economic powerhouse.

After a major earthquake in 60 AD, Laodicea refused Nero’s offer to subsidize their rebuilding efforts. The Roman historian Tacitus writes: “Laodicea, one of the famous Asiatic cities, was laid in ruins by an earthquake but recovered by its own resources without assistance from ourselves” (Annals 14:27).

The message from Jesus in Revelation 3:17-18 directly challenges Laodicea’s reliance on its wealth: “Because you say, ‘I am rich and have become wealthy and have need of nothing,’ and you do not know that you are wretched and miserable and poor and blind and naked, I advise you to buy from Me gold refined by fire so that you may become rich, and white garments so that you may clothe yourself… and eye salve to anoint your eyes so that you may see.” Do you see what Jesus is doing? Jesus essentially said every great thing in Laodicea is worthless since they valued worldly wealth rather than obeying the words of Jesus. He actually had what was truly valuable.

Jesus made a similar allusion to life in Laodicea when he talks about hot, cold, and lukewarm people.
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"Hot" and "Cold" in Historical Context

The large population and extensive textile industry in Laodicea required an ample water supply. The three major cities around the valley, Laodicea, Colossae, and Hierapolis, all had distinct water sources.
  • Laodicea piped water from the mountains to the south. After 6 miles in an aqueduct, the water arrived lukewarm with a gritty concentration of calcium carbonate.
  • Colossae was tucked into the foot of Mount Honaz where cold mountain run-off water poured down to supply the city with fresh water.
  • Hierapolis was positioned on magnificent hot springs that emitted mineral rich waters attracting visitors from all over Asia to its therapeutic baths.
All 3 cities lie around the Lycus river valley, but their water supplies distinguished them. Whereas Hierapolis had hot water beneficial for therapeutic purposes and Colossae had cold water for a refreshing drink, Laodicea’s piped water was best suited for the textile industry, or flushing the city’s plumbing system. If you ingested the water, it would function as an emetic causing you to vomit.

Do you see how this local dynamic reveals the meaning of Jesus’ message to Laodicea? Jesus uses their water supply as a spiritual metaphor. “I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot; I wish that you were cold or hot. So because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of My mouth” (Revelation 3:15-16).


Colossae’s cold, fresh mountain water and Hierapolis’s medicinal hot springs outclassed Laodicea’s lukewarm water supply that made people vomit after drinking. Cold water and hot water sources had great personal value. Laodicea's lukewarm water had the same personal value that complacent members of the Laodicean church had to the cause of Christ. Not much.
Be Useful

Revelation 3:15-16 doesn't teach that Jesus prefers people to hate him or love him, just don't "sit on the fence." Jesus doesn't want anybody to hate him. That common teaching from this passage is not only crazy when you stop and think about it; it's bad Bible interpretation. Jesus isn't saying, "any decision is better than indecision." Jesus is telling us to serve a purpose. Hot water could heal. Cold water could refresh. We should bring a similar blessing to people around us.

We were meant to serve him. Our actions were meant to embody his values and contribute to his redemptive mission. When we just live for ourselves like the lukewarm water that contributed to the wealth engine of the Laodicean textile industry, we are useless. We lose our purpose while serving ourselves.

​Jesus is calling us to be hot or to be cold, to embrace our redemptive role in his mission. How are you doing it? I'm trying to make my life and my words "cold" for Jesus, refreshing the souls of those lost in a self-reliant rat race.
52 Comments
Colleen Rogers
6/24/2016 06:45:50 am

Excellent interpretation of Rev. 3:15-16! This Scripture certainly makes more sense to me now, praise GOD
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Tonia Franklin
4/30/2017 06:24:47 am

Thanks for this insight. Speaking to my church on this today

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Daniel
7/29/2017 02:21:27 pm

Yes, you have to understand scripture as it was convade. This one is I believe miss directed by a lot of people. If you have had a real born again experience, even if you walk away, the Holly spirit will get your attention. He has done it for me many times. That's why I can say with gratitude, thank you Lord for saving me.

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earnestene janes
4/9/2018 05:31:23 pm

I didn't under stand. I do now

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Manjeet Paul. link
8/25/2019 07:54:21 pm

Very much appreciated and valuable for young believers.

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mary smith
7/8/2017 04:37:50 pm

Thank you, now I have a clearer understanding.

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Pascal Grenade
10/12/2017 01:55:43 pm

I appreciate the interpretation. However, here are some problems I have with it (I do not adhere to the traditional understanding of lukewarm).
1) While this interpretation would have been evident to the Laodiceans, it may not have been so evident to those in Pergamum. And, John intended this message to be read by all the churches.
2) You mention that the waters in Laodicea had great use for the textile industry. You did specify "no personal value", but it still was useful. This seems to undermine your point.
3) The interpretation suffers when we ask ourselves the same question about the waters of Hierapolis. They were good for medicinal purposes, but what good is that if we cannot drink it.
4) This interpretation relies too much on the background knowledge and does not sufficiently take into consideration clues in the text about the interpretation of lukewarmness. The phrase "I will vomit you out" is in a bilateral relation to 2 "oti" clauses: one before one after. The first "oti" clause "because you are lukewarm" is the cause of the vomiting, but is further explained by the second "oti" clause (Rev 3.17). Hence, to be lukewarm is to be self-deceived or deluded. To think oneself spiritually rich when one is actually poor. In this interpretation the extremes or hot and cold would correspond to the extremes of being spiritually rich, clothed and seeing as opposed to the other extreme of being spiritually poor, naked and blind. This point interpreted in the light of Jn 9.40-41 would be that it better for them to be spiritually poor and naked and realize their poverty and nakedness (i.e cold) than it is for them to be poor and think themselves rich (i.e Lukewarm).
I make these observations respectfully. Respect is not always easy to convey in a written note. Please let me know if you feel that there is any value to what I am suggesting.
Blessings in Christ,

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Pascal Grenade
12/29/2017 10:36:15 am

I would also add the following to what I have written above. Lukewarmness is a reference to nominal christians. Those who think themselves rich when they are spiritually poor, clothed when they are in fact naked etc . . . That lukewarmness is referring to nominal christians who do not have spiritual life is also supported by the following textual clues:
1. The language of "spitting out" communicates the idea of not belonging to God's rest--the new creation. c.f.:Lev 18.28; Lev 20.22. Jesus as the "beginning of God's creation" (Rev 3.14) is a reference to Jesus as the first fruit of God's new creation. Those who belong to the new creation are created after his image. The language of vomiting is then communicating the truth that the lukewarm person has no part in God's new creation.

2. The exhortation of Jesus to the church of Laodicea uses langauge exhorting people to salvation.
a. they did not have refined gold--c.f.: Mar 6.19-20; Luke 18.18-22. The Laodicean church may have been rich physically, and those riches were not good enough before God.
b. they did not have white garments
c.f.: white garments in Revelation often refers to those who obtain salvation (c.f.: Rev 4.4; Rev 6.9-11; Rev 7.9ff)
c. the church of Laodicea did not have spiritual sight
These 3 things are pictures of salvation and the Laodicean church did not have any of these.

3. Jesus exhorts the Laodicean church to true communion
Jesus is outside of the church and is not in fellowship with the church. Contrast that with the teaching of John concerning fellowship (c.f.: 1 Jn 1.3; Jn 1.11-12).

Again, I offer this point of view respectfully.

Blessings in Christ

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Sena W
8/6/2022 10:15:46 am

Pascal
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Paul Penley (author)
1/2/2018 11:03:30 am

Thanks for digging into these details about the message to Laodicea. It is important to remember that analogies and metaphors have 1 primary point of comparison. So when thinking about water sources in the 3 cities around the Lycus River Valley, we should be focused on identifying one dominant characteristic that was associated with the reputation of each city’s main water source. That dominant characteristic is what people in the region would know about that city and therefore it is what Jesus refers to in his metaphorical message meant specifically for Laodicea but intended to be understood by other people in the region. You have spelled out the self-deluded nature of their "Lukewarmness" well based on the context, even though you have missed the precise structural parallel between "Lukewarmness" and spiritual poverty on the one hand, and then on the other hand, "hot or cold" and spiritual richness. Your observation about the Greek "oti" clause is good literary analysis. All you need to see is that "hot or cold" are combined as one synonymous idea in verses 15 and 16 and then contrasted as one unit against being Lukewarm in verse 16. So the parallel structure in verse 17 links being lukewarm to spiritual poverty and then being "hot or cold" to spiritual maturity. Thanks for getting into the detailed Greek grammatical analysis!

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Bruce Lennon
11/9/2018 08:02:20 am

My "revealed" interpretation is Lukewarm means Indifference ...love or hate ,, hot or cold ....but not indifference ..you are either here not there...take it or leave it ....made to feel invisible ...

Carolyn Kinsey
10/12/2019 11:06:09 am

I appreciate both analogies and when studied together the picture is AWESOME. Thank you both.

Steve
5/9/2018 01:22:42 pm

Hebrew scholars tell us that there are 70 levels to the Word of God. if you can accept that this is truth,then 2nd Peter chapter 1 verse 20 and 21 applies even more to this, first because we are all at different levels of understanding the word of God. God states in his word that his thoughts are not our thoughts his ways are not our ways.(Isa 55:8+9) therefore if we are to understand the full Council of God we must follow God's instructions as are laid out in (Isa 28:9+10)" precept upon precept line upon line here little there little" and totally rely on the Holy Spirit leading us into all truth. I believe recently the Holy Spirit has shown to me that I have been reading his word with eyes that can only see the way it's been preached to me. Recently through the teachings of a man of God I read some scriptures in the Gospel of John chapter 21 vs9 10 + 11 and he brought out something that I had never seen before. He made mention that when Jesus contacted the disciples that went fishing and had caught nothing the whole night and told them to cast on the other side of their boat. We read that the catch was so great they couldn't pull it into the boat. Verse 11 mentions 153 fish that were caught. He explained how there are many different theories on this but the one that made the most sense to him was that in the Hebrew each letter is assigned a number and when you add them all together and come up with a hundred and fifty three, the Hebrew phrase is" I am the Lord thy God". Because of this teaching whether you wish to accept it or not it is open my eyes to a different way of reading God's word. In the world when a man goes out searching for treasure he doesn't simply go out dig a hole and find a pot of gold he may spend years months or whatever in research looking through logs journals personal letters testimonies from other people and then with all his research you will go out and more than likely find the treasure that has been hidden from other people's eyes for hundreds of years. There are many truths that I now call Treasures in the word of God that we simply just cannot read and see, you must research with the eyes of the Holy Spirit find the letters the personal testimonies the witnesses that lead you to the ultimate truth that God wants you to know. And that is that he loves you and wants you to have all of his treasures that he has set forth in his word for you to find and through the blood of Jesus and the Holy Spirit and the loving-kindness of a father I am now on that Journey. I hope you will find your way in that Journey as I have to a better understanding of the love of God for his creation. And even more so has the time of his return draws even closer I hope you will find Salvation in the blood of Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross for us, have a blessed day.😌👆

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Shane Gabriel
10/9/2018 04:20:23 pm

Perfect response. Sometimes with good Intention's we can over think. I think this is why we must come together as a Church with many voices in Christ to see and fully understand what the Bible is telling us.

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Joe Pennington
1/19/2019 10:53:56 am

I believe the waterw merely giving representation to the West on which Jesus preached and responded to questioning by the Jews often. I believe the Lord has had purpose in the word for that is special and relative to every single person who searches understanding of it. Often when I see those knowledgeable in scripture are quick to shrink the size of the purpose of the Lord. Do you really believe the living word yeilds to the logistical purpose of John as he writed it or is it capable of addition to every soul who seeks it's knowledge with the Lord thru request in heart? Since we are taught to believe the Lord is limitless why do we try giving his word the smallest limitation possible in interpretation? Regardless even John's logistical intent, he was wise in knowing the Lord speaks to our hearts and I'm certain John wanted the Scriptures to hold true as limitless as possible toti the day of rapture at it has back then. We are all just the farmers, the Lord confirm the seed of faith and nurtures it with Grace etc. To be as Jesus and leave enough thru implying that any who read it wonder enough about his true intended message it makes way to their hearts and they receive increase in understanding directly from the father. That is the main thing needed in the end, some need more study material others less to learn how to pour their hearts into the Lord and of what things please him. I just see two Christians Demings to care about the Lord, but are unable even to discern enough things to find reason to help increase each other's message and you're both nearly lessened by your comments and the path thinned. So are you the hot water while the writer is the cold? He increased first commenters take on how to expand her way of fishdiscer scripture, what gains were you aiming to achieve? Because I see so often church goers are the largest group that turns people away from God. And they day they are protecting them yet they don't finish their correcting by realigning them better with the Lord. They lower they others view of heaven and leave feeling puffed up usually. It is as the Lord said, near the end Scripture will be yeilded as a way to turn many away from the Lord and I see it everywhere. I love you brother and sisters, I don't need you to explain I am going to hope I am just wrong and stuff got lost in worryin that doesn't happen so much in person. But if I was right u just wanted to point out a potential increase for you as the criticizer if you truly are searching for the glory of God and absolution of your secured place in heaven. I believe we are all too small to see and likely the Lord turns all this into equal positive impact of the full picture, but I'm full of Hope they wisdom I'd like to believe one day.

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Shirley Taylor
1/23/2022 06:32:56 am

NA

Cynthia Flores
3/13/2022 12:10:40 am

I caught that. I mean, it is the Revelation of Jesus. How small can our thinking be to not see the implications that this is for everyone and in particular the church that will go through the tribulation in the last days. The last chapter of the bible is a grave warning, and encouragement and hopefully a great help to those that will live to see it. We are to be watchful and also we need to be impactful. If we only see this as for the past church, we miss the whole boat. I see it as a personal warning to pray for my very self sufficient children, whom claim Christ but I see no fruits nor repentance. On the larger scale, it is for all Christians to not cheapen the cross..Maybe I am wrong, but if I am right, it is a call for the church to wail to the Lord for the church members that cheapen the gift of grace by not repenting and not submitting to the change that happens in the heart when this occurs. Grace comes after the constant repentant heart and helps the sinner to life a more holy life through the sanctification of Christ. I am still a sinner but I hate the sin and love the Lord and I am on my knees daily for the hearts of the lost. The strong words of Christ are a call to deep prayer and repentance when we are not all in for Him that went all in for us. Just my two cents and I love you all and I pray for you to be strong if you are here to fight the good fight with me in those last days(if these are the days I will live and die through). Be blessed and may the Words of our mighty and good good Lord bless you always, Stay in the Word and in love.

Ty
7/25/2022 10:48:44 am

"It is as the Lord said, near the end Scripture will be yeilded as a way to turn many away from the Lord"

Are you able to provide verses for this? I'm not doubting you, I just need to study the source material because it could be immeasurably helpful to me right now. The closest I could find was Timothy 4:1 but I have a feeling that verse is referring more to things like new age etc.

Janet
4/28/2019 09:00:04 am

Excellent!

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Carolyn Kinsey
10/12/2019 11:00:04 am

Beautiful

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Donna Failes
2/25/2022 12:34:47 pm

This is how I see that verse. I believe the great majority of us are lukewarm which means to me we do some things right and follow God which is being hot. But then there are those times when trials come,and we all have them, we forget God or if we don't forget Him, we blame Him, mistrust Him to the point sometimes of being angry with Him and tell him to leave us alone. This is the cold part. Is vacillate constantly and this is worse as an example to others than being cold or hot!

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Zippy
6/3/2022 01:20:39 pm

Everyone in the world at that time knew that cold water was fresh and okay to drink, hot water had been boiled and purified or came from a hot spring, also okay to drink, but lukewarm water was a no no, stagnant, not moving, and make you sick, is that simple enough.

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Sena W
8/6/2022 10:13:20 am

I'm in total agreement with you. God bless

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Mike Stone
12/29/2017 05:12:01 am

I laud any earnest, true effort aimed at getting at the truth of God's word. We have all suffered so very much by having tried to 'stand' upon common interpretations of scripture only to have the bottom fall out - as those interpretations proved to be wrong, and therefore insufficient to hold us up. Pain, suffering and disillusionment being the 'fruit'. I have to say that I agree with "Pascal Grenade". Knowing the context in which a passage is found is important and though the explanation given of the historical context of Rev 3:15-16 presented in this article may well be accurate it does not, in my opinion, detract from the simple truth it offers. God, prefers that men (mankind) deal with Him: who He is, who He is not and with who we are and with who we are not. Participating in those mental exercises (Eccl 1:) of discovery is painful business. To say that doing so 'upsets the apple cart' of our lives is an understatement. Coming out from under the myriad of illusions of this world, including those WITHIN common Christian thinking is trying, painful, threatening, uncomfortable etc. "Learning brings pain". Yet God calls us to it. Sometimes that means we are "cold" - hurting, reacting to God's challenges to our thoughts our beliefs. Sometimes we recoil, get angry (even at God, yes, even at God - for those who do not agree with that, you have obviously never read the scriptures) withdraw etc as we are dealing with His challenges to us. THAT 'cold'ness is all part of the process of discarding falsehood/illusion and discovering instead the truth. Being "hot" is, in my opinion, a description of that season of the process of coming to know Him in which the challenge is compounded by anger toward Him, or the frustration that goes along with being challenged by Him to more toward truth. Hot or cold - both are good. And what about "lukewarm"? Well, that is the status that we ALL, by default, seek to enter into - not moved, not provoked, not challenges, sitting still, not allowing ourselves to be engaged, no growth.... doing all we can to avoid ANY provocation of any sort. God did not allow us to stay here on this exceeding difficult planet to have our paradigm be one of 'lukewarmness". Rather, He would have us "hot" or "cold" wherein we will move from ignorance to understanding. Remember what God told us "above all things get UNDERSTANDING" (of Him and of ourselves .... according to Him).

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Howard James link
1/14/2018 02:54:30 pm

Why must people complicate the simplicity of the gospel by insinuating you need to have an extensive knowledge of history to understand its meaning ?
Does it make you feel spiritual?
If this knowledge was necessary to understand his meaning, why didn't he include it in his word?

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Chris Jackson
4/10/2018 12:53:10 pm

The Bible was not written to you, it was written for you.

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Sena W
8/6/2022 10:28:05 am

Amen

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Espen Johansen
11/11/2018 05:15:50 am

its about beliving Jesus as Your saviour , its not about Your feelings , its about Christ crusified for you, , its about the 10 virgins are you born again ? , its about Moseaic covenant and the New covenant , you cant put New wine in and old wineskin , what kind of rigousness do you have if you stand in Your own Works , or try to mix them With His obedience ? Your faith is on His given righousness for you , satan is the acuser of the Brothers, and he acuse Your righousness, , since you dont have any its not your problem , here is a strange sqripture , WE are sanctified by JESUS , 1 Corinthians 7:14
For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

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Eche~Friend of God
5/16/2019 10:22:44 pm

Thanks to everyone of you fellow Christians. I appreciate the contributions done in love. I came in here searching for clarity on the scripture text and Paul Penley did a good job with the explanation. Other deductions are noted. To my friend Howard James, I see your point but then we would remember that the bible tells us that we find by seeking, we enter by knocking, we receive by asking. . We are also asked to study the Word and not read. Study is a more vigorous exercise that leads to research and meditation and prayer. . . It is true that no scripture is of a private interpretation but sincerely.
It is ok to go back in history. Notice that the there are mostly same message in Matthew and Luke and Mark but different language structure. It is therefore okay to try to understand how the different men communicated and to whom.
In conclusion, it is dependence on the Spirit that is paramount even as we learn in hope. . .

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Steven P. Miller link
9/23/2019 05:24:55 pm

“The seven stars are the angels [messengers] of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands which you saw are the seven churches” (Revelation 1:20).

Remember, the symbols are the stars and the lampstands; the objects of those symbols—the things they symbolize—are the seven angels, or messengers, and the seven churches. There is no good reason to assume that the seven angels (symbolized by the seven stars) are themselves symbols of something else; nor is it reasonable to assume that the seven churches (symbolized by the seven golden lampstands) are symbols of church ages. The Revelator says plainly that the seven golden lampstands (obvious symbols) ARE the seven churches, and He identifies those seven churches as “seven churches which are in Asia” (1:11).

Jesus Christ is the infallible Revelator. He alone can infallibly interpret the symbols of the book of Revelation. Here, He reveals the meaning of the symbolic stars and lamp-stands.

Now if the infallible Revelator tells us that the seven lamp-stands ARE the seven churches of Asia, then we should simply believe it. All of us—including the dispensationalists—should be able to agree on this. And most—if not all—do agree on this point. As noted above, Hal Lindsey believes that the messages of Revelation 2 and 3 were sent to, and received by, seven literal churches in Asia Minor. The Sabbath-keeping “Church of God” groups that teach “church eras” also accept this. The problem is that some move beyond the Revelator’s own interpretations and begin to teach as doctrine things the Revelator did not say.

Jesus Christ did not say that the seven lamp stands are seven church ages. He said plainly that the lampstands ARE the seven churches of Asia—churches located in Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamos, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia, and Laodicea. Therefore, if we say that we believe that the seven lampstands (churches) are something other than, or in addition to, what Christ plainly says they are, then it is imperative that we admit that we are speculating!

We can all say with certainty that the seven churches really existed, that they were located in Asia Minor, and that John wrote to them. But we cannot say with certainty that the seven churches represent seven church ages spanning some 2,000 years; nor can we say with certainty that the seven churches represent seven organizations or movements in the time of the end.

But this we can say: The messages to the seven churches are for anyone “who has an ear” and is willing to “hear what the Spirit says to the churches” (2:7,11,17,29; 3:6,13,22). So rather than engage in the unfruitful practice of labeling churches with “Laodicea” or “Philadelphia” or “Sardis,” let’s hear what the Spirit says to us in these seven messages. The Porter is the last word you shall hear before the Arch angel makes his entrance

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qibbly
11/22/2019 01:28:54 pm

Brother. This was excellent. Great food for this evening. Keep refreshing and walking in Holiness my brother. Great job you made here. I now have a much better understanding of just how vivid Our LORD JESUS CHRIST, is about our decisions and actions towards the will of GOD.

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TD Jakes Sermons link
11/22/2020 02:14:00 am

God bless you so much.

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Kevin link
1/17/2021 11:18:26 am

Oh my goodness man ! What a clever analogy !
Hey listen dude .... to honestly believe that your interpretation is any where near correct one would have to have university degrees in all kinds of man made wisdom ..... Jesus wasn’t talking to those educated folks in Rev :3 .... he was talking to the likes of me NOW ! And anyone else who reads it! Jesus never said ‘I didn’t come for the stupid and simple but I came to feed the educated with my cleverness’ thank Jesus for Holy Spirits truth He sent to us so as not to see His people deceived with clever arguments .
Get HOT for Jesus people ! Tell someone , anyone about His amazing Love for them today dude !

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NP
2/9/2021 07:27:56 am

As concerning the Word of life, Luke 10 section 25-28 says: On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" "You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."
Luke 18 section 18-25 says: A certain ruler asked him, "Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?" "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone. You know the commandments: 'Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.'" "All these I have kept since I was a boy," he said. When Jesus heard this, he said to him, "You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me." When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."
Matthew 5 section 43-48 says: "You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
In Old Testament, the Jewish people and their ancestors were given the Law to observe. First, What Adam and Eve should observe was that they could not eat the fruits from the tree of wisdom. Then, their son Cain was told that he should not kill. As sins became increased, the laws were also added more. Up to the generation of Moses, the Law in Old Testament was given to Israelites. We know that the Law is good and the Law is used to punish people who commit sins, but people cannot obey the Law because the sinful spirits are in people. Even that we know stealing and giving false testimony are sinful, but greedy and pride spirits in us drive us to do sinful things. So as Old Testament prophesied we need to get rid of our sinful nature from our spirits.
Jeremiah 31 section 31-33 says: "The time is coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the Lord. "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
Ezekiel 36 section 24-27 says: "'For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws.
The prophecies are fulfilled when Jesus begins to teach love. The two greatest commandments are " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" Love is above the Law and if people have love they are free from the law of sin and death. People who are full of love will not think about stealing or giving false testimony but are merciful and they feed hungry people or give thirsty people something to drink or invite strangers in or clothe people who need clothes. The Law is for people who commit sins. Nobody will say that he will get reward because he does not steal before. But love is the grace we get. And with love we will get eternal life.
Romans 13 section 8-10 says: Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. The commandments, "Do not commit adultery," "Do not murder," "Do not steal," "Do not covet," and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this one rule: "Love your neighbor as yourself." Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Luke 17 section 2

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Alvine Shamala
5/4/2022 11:56:20 pm

Praise the Lord our saviour Jesus Christ brethrens, I suppose, the word of God instructs us not to add or subtract. To avoid committing known and unknown sins, take the word as it is and apply in our daily lives.

I really appreciate how everyone is enlightening one another, blessings.

About "hot and cold" from my humble understanding is that, we MUST either choose light or be in darkness. Do not be a pretender, remember God is aware of our thoughts and He knows our stands.

Show your STAND in actions.

May God bless us all as we seek to uderstand His mistries. (Proverbs 1:7)

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PB
2/17/2021 08:11:29 am

I thank God for all of you. You have so enriched my understanding. Until we meet again, may God richly bless you.

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Covtavius
4/22/2021 04:37:35 pm

It sounds like they were serving a great purpose I providing people with rainproof clothing and they got paid well for it. I've heard it said that you should give 10% of your earnings to a church because a preacher is worth his earnings. It sounds hypocritical for John he was possessed by Jesus to covet this town because one of the ten commandments is thou shalt not covet

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Ben Blake
7/8/2021 09:49:30 am

I would rather err on the side of Grace and conclude that Jesus wants us to continue in his mission of providing the heart Of Him as one who what's to refresh and heal all of us. Rev 3:16. Our commission is His will for all generations for all times wheather in good or bad times. Its that simple to me. Long statements are not needed and only confuse people. Its all under Grace!. Thanks.

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Eliel Sam
7/24/2021 05:44:44 am

Great write-up, it's help for propose driven life
Thanks

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Catholic Prayers link
8/22/2021 08:26:33 am

Great and Lovely

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TJ Penn
10/23/2021 06:28:05 am

This was my favorite scene in the movie “The War Room”. I am a 4 year old Christian and my personal meditation on this passage delivered the message to me that it was written to churches, not individuals. A lukewarm church is a self-serving church and doing no good for God. Therefore, He has no desire for “that” church. Doesn’t mean he doesn’t love the people, but He doesn’t approve of their dead-in-Spirit church.

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Cynthia Flores
3/13/2022 12:24:58 am

Saints ARE the Church. If you are a Christian, you ARE the church.

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gary
11/17/2021 10:48:17 am

If Jesus had been criss-crossing Judea and Galilee claiming to be Yahweh, the Creator, why did no one accuse him of this "blasphemy" when he was brought before the Sanhedrin?

https://lutherwasnotbornagaincom.wordpress.com/2021/11/17/damning-evidence-that-jesus-never-claimed-to-be-god/

The truth is, while Jesus probably claimed to be the Messiah, and that is what got him killed, there is no good evidence in the Synoptic Gospels that he ever claimed to be God.

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Al P.
1/16/2022 01:08:00 pm

Sir: You are not listening to Dr. Penley and missing a very important point. He has said many times that to understand the words of the bible you must understand how the people Jesus spoke to understood those words.
In the Gospel of John, ch. 8, Jesus' has a discourse with the Jews. He spoke several times about being sent from His Father, ie, God. Finally in verse 58 he says:
58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
'I AM" was the name God himself took when he spoke to Moses from the burning bush in Exodus (read it). The Jews fully understood that when Jesus said "I AM" he was plainly stating that he WAS God.
If you think that Jesus never claimed to be God you should read "Liar, Lunatic, or Lord" by C. S. Lewis.
I hope this helps.

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Cynthia Flores
3/13/2022 12:28:19 am

For the sake of your soul and I do not want you to go to outer darkness and eventually Hell, please read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. Your words are ignorant, and I want you to live a victorious life. Living a lie only will bring you death and despair forever.In love, please ask God to reveal Himself and stop saying things without true deep investigation.

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Nathan Brittain
12/19/2021 09:33:53 pm

I think what Jesus is saying here is, some people who embrace him are fiery and faithful, and some are more logical and analytical.

There are highly spiritual types who say, "This is the word of God, and we need to follow it for this reason." They're the "hot."

And then there are more logical types who say, "The Bible is the greatest guide to human nature ever written, and the rules laid out in it present an ideal way to run a society." They're the "cold."

Jesus is saying, "I'll take the hot, and I'll take the cold. But you fence-sitters and hair-splitters? Yeah, you're out." I think he's saying he'll accept those who fully embrace him, whether for "hot" or "cold" reasons.

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Daniel Johnson link
3/7/2022 01:20:17 pm

Great Post. Thanks for sharing

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Brenda James
3/7/2022 11:52:43 pm

I believe it simply means if your going to live for God live whole heartedly or Hot. If you are not going to live for God then don't or Cold. Don't play church or Lukewarm. God died so that all mankind could live for Him but He gave us a will to make that choice. In church out of church no straddling the fence. I see it all the time. You are for me or against me. One or the other. In or out. Just my opinion. I chose Hot for Him. But as a human I sometimes fail. That's what repentance is for. God forgive me and help me to live wholeheartedly for You.

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Cynthia Flores
3/13/2022 12:59:20 am

If any of you see this text as pertaining to you or your family or your friends, get on your knees. Pray for God to help bring fire into the lives of those that are ho hum about Whom died for us. God was never so so about us. He took on the most horrendous death so we could be ransomed. We were ransomed so we could be acceptable to enter the kingdom of heaven. Rebellion and pride have no place with the Holy of Holies so we need to strip our pride and repent. For those that believe all our sins are forgiven without actually asking for forgiveness, well, that is false grace. Get on your knees and repent if you haven't. If you consider your pride too precious, you miss the boat. You cannot only believe, the demons believe, but you must repent and let God change your heart...that takes submission. In submission, you are hot. Lukewarm, understands, believes but does not submit to the Godhead. There life shows no change, and they are not willing that anyone even know of their belief...it is like a cheap purse that rarely will wear. I can see Jesus finding this unacceptable...and it breaks my heart. I pray for them. I love them. Please, never love your life more than Christ. He will reward you greatly if you learn to really love Him. He loves you back...with all His heart. We are all condemned without sanctification. Allow Him to do this. It isn't rocket science. Just believe He died for your sins, repent of all your sins regularly, forgive everyone(meaning pray for their souls to be forgiven and sanctified) and pray to and love God fervently.

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Edward Reeves
5/22/2022 07:07:25 am

I completely agree! The Lord Jesus is really wonderful and he adores us! I understood this when I joined Keion Henderson's church, https://www.keionhenderson.com/sermons-on-relationships/, at a time in my life when I was genuinely sad and losing hope! After hearing a lecture on our relationship with Him, I understood how much Jesus loves us!

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gary
12/9/2022 07:41:18 pm

In a recent conversation with a Christian family member, I presented overwhelming evidence that demonstrates that the evidence for the supernatural claims of Christianity is very weak and full of baseless assumptions. My family member matter-of-factly replied:

“I don’t care. I know Jesus was resurrected because he lives in my heart. And he has lived in my heart since I was a small child.”

How do you counter that?

So the real question to ask Christians (instead of asking them for historical evidence for their beliefs), is to ask: How old were you when you first believed in the resurrected Jesus as your Lord and Savior?

Most mainline Protestants and Catholics will state that they have always believed in Jesus as their Savior, ever since they were born (their baptism). Most evangelicals will state that they were “saved” at a very early age, often between five and eight years old, according to studies.

So if you have believed in virgin births and resurrected corpses since the age of five, and your entire social network (parents, extended family, pastors, church friends, etc.) reinforce your childhood belief in virgin births and resurrected corpses, AND, you are an evangelical who believes that you can perceive the presence of this man-god in your “heart”—answering your wish requests, protecting you from harm, and performing “miracles” for you ever since you were a small child—NO amount of historical evidence is going to change your mind.

These poor people are deeply delusional. Shoving historical evidence under their noses is not going to work. So how do we help these people to escape from their fear-based delusion (a delusion that tells them that if they leave and abandon the belief system they will be eternally damned)? Is it even possible?

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Karen Wilkins link
1/24/2023 12:07:56 am

Really impressive article, thank you so much for sharing.

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